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artmorris
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Posted: Sat Jul 7th, 2007 12:37 pm |
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I was watching a business program on CNBC a few days ago. The discussion was about whether record companies were becoming obsolete, due to the internet and Ipods.
A representative of Warner Bros. Music said "no", citing their huge promotions budget and reach. A rep for a recording artist said basically 'record companies aren't obsolete yet, but will be in a few years'. He said that direct marketing to the consumer, and through deals with retailers, like Wal-Mart were changing the business model.
Nowhere in the discussion was the word "RADIO" ever mentioned. Not one word about reaching the consumer through radio was discussed. I was shocked that radio wasn't even on table.
Has radio become a consumer of music instead of a partner promoting artists?
How can this be? It's especially ironic considering that talk radio is supposed to be "running the country".
Have we completely let the music business get away from us?
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Posted: Sun Jul 8th, 2007 07:17 pm |
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Sad. But radio has done itself in. Live radio and request lines along with information. It was not that long ago KGBX 1260 remember that they had the Cardinals also. and Ernest Decamp and NBC news. Art Haines..Always works where the Cards station is but he bleeds Royal Blue.
KTXR had the Royals and ABC ?? News
KWTO had Dan Waldington and NEWS
And KTTS needs no introduction. But they all had programs that came on very specific times AND THEY TOLD THE TIME AND TEMP. KGBX had the City speaks ( like cable 23) on Sun. nites. KTTS you could set a clock by on the second weather with radar temps,the whole Shenyang at 15 after sports at 45 with a brief weather and farm news. No we have no choice but inter net for all this. Also great Empire had long time employees and promoted all the other stations they owned. Remember Rob Huff going to KFDI and you would tune in for his show when you traveled? Untill radio is live and happy and dependable its gonna die. News weather and sports is important and in this area some farm news. I go through small towns and some even still read the local obits. It is a breath of country air to hear small market radio.
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Posted: Mon Jul 9th, 2007 03:21 am |
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| Radio and records do not have the same relationship as was once the case. There was a time they worked hand in hand together but that seems to have changed in the past several years. It all started with music research and radio stations adopting the stance that they were not in the business to sell records or promote the labels. Plus there are now only a handful of stations that play new music. It seems that so many of the formats are library based and programmers don't want to risk taking chances on product that is not tested and proven. The record companies don't have near the number of promoters that they used to employ. The record promoter has kind of gone the way of the nightime DJ...not nearly as many. I think one of the great comments came from former KBOX p.d. turned RCA record rep Jack Westin in his weekly "Nipper's Notes" publication (Nipper is the name of the dog on the RCA label, listening to his masters voice). This came when I was music director at KFKF in KC in the mid 80's and we had just started heavy into music testing and became very slow to add new music. Jack wrote once that Rick Turner wants a new PD for Christmas one that plays new music on the radio instead of over the telephone. Record companies still have a rapport with radio but only a handful of selected stations that play new product.
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artmorris
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Posted: Tue Jul 10th, 2007 12:02 am |
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We can't just keep giving away the things that make radio unique. A lot of us got into radio because we loved the music. For the first ten years of my career, I was Music Director at the stations where I worked. I lived the music side of the biz, couldn't wait for the mail to come in daily, so I could see what new releases would be there.
But, the thought occured to me today as I was driving down the road..... I was listening to Alice95.5 and they were playing "Doctor My Eyes" by Jackson Browne. I remember when it was new, in 1972. That's 35-years ago. Now, back in 1972, I simply can't imagine playing ANY music from 1937, which would have been 35-years before that. Yet, our radios are filled with music from the past 40-years or more.
What we need is better music. Rap is dying fast, thank god. In my opinion, Rap music is like the 'beat music' of the 50's and early 60's. It's more poetry than music. And, in my experience, whenever there's a void in the musical universe, Dance music almost always fills the void. So, I look for a resurgence of Dance music in the next couple of years, to fill the void until the next big thing comes along.
10 to 15 years ago, I thought the new Seattle sound was going to take over. I loved the Spin Doctors and the Gin Blossoms. There are a few talented bands that continue that tradition, but it never took over like I thought.
There are a lot of singer/songwriters around, but there's only so much angst the public can stand.
What next? Who knows? We've already done 'Punk Country'. Where are the new musicians with the new sound?
My 2 cents...
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Buddy Dornster
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Posted: Mon Jul 16th, 2007 03:29 am |
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Driving down the road, thinking about this thread, and a few ideas came forth.
1. Where is the joy? Listen to Spanish radio. They are having a blast, and you can tell. I was always taught to SMILE when you opened the mic. I haven't heard a fun English speaking broadcast in years.
2. Too much voice tracking, if any dialogue at all. You can, if you try, make a VT automation system sound LIVE. No effort, and you sound like the early Rock 99 days.
3. Ever wonder why the phenominal climb in Contemporary Christian listenership? Try positive lyrics. I listened to a country station for 15 minutes the other day. Of the five songs played, three were about how to get even with a cheating spouse, the others about getting drunk and stupid. (And people wonder why I prefer talk radio.) CCM, on the other hand, even when singing about lifes problems, talks of Christ's healing. Reminds me of why the Beatles caught on so early; it was clear they were having FUN on stage (back to the DJ issue).
More to come, ideas are brewing.
Last edited on Mon Jul 16th, 2007 01:39 pm by Buddy Dornster
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Posted: Mon Jul 16th, 2007 08:35 pm |
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| I never hear anything positive on talk radio...negative and constant bashing. I think rado is in a real rut. The formats on FM are stale and the talk radio stations are all the same. The corporate ran FM radio formats and the constant ranting and raving on AM has driven me to the classical music station. That is about the only format I can listen to for any legenth of time anymore. I would appreciate some diversity and variety instead of the sameness with repitive music and talk shows that all sound alike.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25th, 2007 11:05 pm |
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Radio is fading away to background noise. The lack of excitement is only a small part of the problem. I was in the car with my son (age 14) last night and we were listening to something on KOSP called America's Top 40 (?). It reminded me of the old days because the jock sounded excited. It got me to telling my son what crazy stunts jocks used to do and how they could gather a crowd at any remote location.
That is all gone. Listen to most stations that are voice-tracked and there's hardly any enthusiasm. Forecasts sound like they are being delivered by the dead. Maybe they are...who knows? 
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Posted: Thu Jul 26th, 2007 01:02 am |
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I love Classic Top 40! Morris, that reminds me of the time I played some tape of the Reel Don Steele and one of the Big 89 Rewind for my girlfriend. Her response? "Wow, this isn't boring!"
When I was on another radio station in town, one of her who grew up in radio friends called me up asked "why did you just talk for 5 seconds? that's so lame". She was right, but it was a formatic.
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Posted: Mon Jul 30th, 2007 05:11 pm |
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The problem with is formatic. I listened over the weekend and again this morning to a smorgassboard of stations. It didn't sound like people were having fun.
I liked top 40 in my day because the jocks were up, talked fast, created excitement, sounded like they had fun, and gave you this "bigger than life sense."
Unless radio re-creates some of the past, it will die. I believe there is a market out there for it. Most companies either don't want to take the risk or don't want to pay for it.
The end result: listening to radio that sounds like the dead!
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