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artmorris
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Posted: Fri Sep 14th, 2007 02:31 pm |
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Saw this today....
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ABC To Drop Satellite Sisters
Satellite SistersALL ACCESS has confirmed that ABC RADIO NETWORKS will be shortly dropping distribution of the SATELLITE SISTERS shows. The weekday show will end ABC syndication on NOVEMBER 9, and the weekend show will end JANUARY 5.
The show began on NPR and subsequently moved to ABC several years ago.
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Also saw where CBS has dropped talk on an FM in Philadelphia.
What's up? Is talk losing steam?
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Posted: Fri Sep 14th, 2007 07:18 pm |
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Did they give a reason? Was it ABC's decision or are the sisters deciding to end the show?
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Posted: Sun Sep 16th, 2007 02:43 am |
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Satellite Sisters ARE A JOKE not the end of talk radio.
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artmorris
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Posted: Mon Sep 17th, 2007 06:30 pm |
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Perhaps my question should have been...
Does the recent attrition in talk radio signal a change in the format?
I've heard that CBS is dropped talk on an FM in Philly. I've heard a few of my friends in small market talk about how hard talk radio is on the sales side. Now, syndicators dropping some programs....
Are things changing in the talk radio landscape?
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Posted: Tue Sep 18th, 2007 02:31 am |
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One word answer: no.
Programs being dropped by syndicators is nothing new, and doesn't signal anything other than the shows weren't working in that environment. Satellite Sisters is just the latest cancellation from ABC following the switch to Citadel, who has been pretty public in stating things weren't going to be status quo.
Satellite Sisters never *really* took off, just as the Female Talk format never really gained a strong head of steam. That was the intent, it was an experiment, and it didn't really work.
ABC also in recent weeks pulled the plug on Larry Elder's syndicated show, which had been on the air for years but struggled with 15-20 affiliates. They also cancelled Mark Davis' syndicated show that, although fantastic, never broke the 10 affiliate mark.
What you're seeing is the cyclical paring of dead weight from syndicator lineups. Premiere Radio Networks did this in 2002 by cancelling Jim Cramer, Suze Orman, and several other programs from their lineup. Westwood One did this in the late 90s. It's just ABC's turn to trim the lineup now.
The FM talker blown up in Philadelphia was basically CBS correcting the "Free FM" mistake they rolled out when they lost Howard. It didn't work anywhere except for the markets where CBS owned succesful FM talkers already (think Dallas, Los Angeles, etc.) The others tanked. Badly. That's why Free FM Phoenix went Hip Hop, Free FM in Philly flipped, and Free FM in NYC went back to their old format. Besides, given the massive talk radio presence in all three of those markets, Free FM didn't have a prayer.
As for sales, a number of small markets have had this problem as the format has shifted. After 9/11, mainstream talk radio became all politics all the time, which didn't fit a lot of small markets as well as the format had before. It used to be after Rush anybody who was anybody followed the show with Dr. Laura...a lot of stations carried Bruce Williams, Jim Bohannon, and other generally non-political (and non-controversial) hosts. Now Bohannon's numbers are in a steep decline, Williams has integrated mainstream talk into his previously advice-only program, and Dr. Laura's days as the number two talk host in the country are in the rear-view mirror. What's left on the talk radio radar is almost all politics. Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage...about the only non-political talker with a good head of steam behind him now is Dave Ramsey.
In medium, large and major markets (say 1-100) the format is growing and thriving, partially because controversy grows audience, which in turn means more ears for your commercials. For talk radio to work in small and unrated markets, it's best NOT to take cues from the big guys. There's still room for Jim Bohannon, Bruce Williams, Dr. Laura, Dr. Joy Browne, and of course Dave Ramsey in these types of markets, and the respite from politics is giving these stations some breathing room. That's also where those shows are buttering their bread. Heck, in Dr. Joy Browne's case her entire syndicator (WOR Radio Network) has built its model around small markets by syndicating a slate full of lifestyle talk and that's where 90% of their affiliates are.
But as far as the state of the format as a whole, it's resiliant as ever. I just started my new job today, and there are two talk stations in the building alone. There's another across town. Format drying up? Hardly.
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Posted: Wed Sep 19th, 2007 12:41 am |
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Talking about the small markets, I guess Derry Brownfield is still going out to a several-state audience (his station list hasn't been updated since 2005, so I don't know what his current number is).
KFRU carried Mark Davis sometime around the late '90s, and currently carry Satellite Sisters (I believe in the same Saturday 12 to 3 slot).
(BTW, what's your new gig, Will? I need to update the KFRU Wiki!)
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Posted: Wed Sep 19th, 2007 03:51 am |
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Mark Davis actually had two runs on ABC, the first was carried on KFRU Sundays Noon-3 (Mitch Albom had the Saturday slot, which was replaced by Satellite Sisters.) His second run aired weekdays 11a-1p Central from 05-07 but never really took off. Too bad really - it was a great show.
As for me, I'm now an Anchor/Reporter at WLW/Cincinnati. Go ahead, start with the Les Nessman jokes. I'm ready for it.
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Posted: Thu Sep 20th, 2007 04:11 am |
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I got a call in to Davis' show pre-2000 election, which is why I know the timeframe when KFRU carried the show, although I didn't know he was on a second time in what seems to be an odd timeslot. Did his second round replace the Sunday Morning sports show in the 11 to noon slot?
Congratulations on the new gig at WLW (and I won't make any Les Nessman jokes)! The 50K WLW transmitter site (under CE Paul Jellison) with its Blaw-Knox diamond tower has to be one of the most-covered sites on the web.
http://www.fybush.com/site-020109.html
http://hawkins.pair.com/wlw.shtml
What timeslots do you cover on-air? Maybe we can DX the station even with the new nighttime HD allowance by the FCC.
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Posted: Thu Sep 20th, 2007 02:27 pm |
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KFRU didn't clear the show during its second run, which was launched in anticipation of Bill O'Reilly not renewing his contract with Westwood One. When that didn't happen, Davis' program failed to attract much of an affiliate base and so the show was cancelled. That was the reason for the program airing 11a-1p central weekdays (same slot as O'Reilly.)
I'm not sure what slots I'll cover on-air yet since nothing permanent is in place. I do know I'll be anchoring until 10p eastern Saturdays once the dust settles, so that would give you the sundown you need....unless of course you have XM (WLW airs on 173.)
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Posted: Fri Jan 4th, 2008 02:49 am |
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The Derry Brownfield Show is (yes, believe it or not) ...STILL GOING! Not as strong as it once was, but surviving nonetheless. Derry has about 60 AM & FM affiliates, is heard on several websites including his own (http://www.derrybrownfield.com) and even two shortwave radio frequencies.
I'm guessing that he has as many listening thru internet and shortwave as he does thru commercial affiliates.
Derry has lost several affiliates due to the local affiliates being unable to sell it. That doesnt mean the listeners werent there, they were, but the money wasnt there. As we all know, money talks.
That leaves alot of would-be listeners turning to alternative listening options and cutting the local station's throat TWICE, as they lose listeners looking for the (Derry Brownfield) show they dropped due to lack of sales.
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Talk radio isn't dying but it has to be continually evaluated. The Satellite Sisters show was fine. There is too much supply for the available hours.
People don't listen as long or as often. Stations need to reevavulated their baseline and not make unreasonable expectations. My CEO who will remain nameless for now asked me why we weren't doing a 7 share 12+ persons. Well, the powers that be whacked sports off the air to form a new all sports station which immediately did a 3 share. Never did they think that audience would leave an empty hole.
It's why I'm not in the biz anymore.
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BEGIN TRANSCRIPT
RUSH: In exit polls in Virginia and Maryland last night, there were questions to voters about me and talk radio; "The Rush Limbaugh Effect," as dubbed by the Associated Press. But before we get to the sound bites illustrating this and the data behind the talk radio exit question... Because it puts to rest the whole myth that the Drive-Bys have been writing about and broadcasting about for the past two weeks. (McCain impression) "Talk radio's dead! It's on the wane. Its influence is gone." That's what they hoped -- and, by the way, the exit poll data indicate exactly what I've always said about you. You're not mind-numbed robots. You make up your own minds. You listen for a whole bunch of reasons, but not to have your mind made up or influenced about political issues or votes or this kind of thing. But first, before we get to that: last night on Kudlow and Company on CNBC, your host, El Rushbo, was personally blamed for forestalling a market rebound. Larry Kudlow said to the guest, BMO Capital Markets' Andy Busch, "Shouldn't McCain do very well tonight in these primaries?"
 BUSCH: He should rout Huckabee. Huckabee hangs on and continues to call and bring to the headlines, all the conservatives who are against McCain; your Rush Limbaughs and so on. He's providing fodder for the Democrats to go after McCain. We need that to stop for the Republicans if we're going to get a bounce from the stock market.
RUSH: Oh, the pressure being brought to bear on your host! Stop criticizing McCain. Republicans need to unify or the market will not rebound. Andy Busch of BMO Capital Markets will need a job if I don't get behind McCain! (laughter) Folks, can we agree just between us...? Don't repeat this. Shh. Shhh! Don't tell anybody. Has it not been brilliant how I have strategically inserted myself into this campaign at virtually every level? You know it and I know it. All right. FoxNews.com headlines: "Exit Polling Explains Obama's Sweep in Virginia," "McCain Grappling with Conservative Doubt," and in this story, near the end: "Talk radio may be playing a big role. Sixty-two percent of Republicans said they frequently listen to conservative programs like Rush Limbaugh and Hannity and Ingraham and others. Many of those hosts don't endorse McCain. Their fans seem to have followed suit, voting 48% for Huckabee; 38% for McCain." In the liberal Washington Post: "But even as he dominated the Potomac Primary, McCain lost conservatives in Virginia, as he has across the South and parts of the Midwest; trailing Huckabee among that group and evangelicals as he attempts to unite a fractured Republican Party behind his candidacy."
Now, "McCain did not directly address his challenge among conservatives, but he said, 'I will not confine myself to the comfort of speaking only to those who agree with me. I will make my case to all the people,'" meaning (McCain impression), "I'm staying with the independents! I'm staying with the liberals. That's my strength. Full speed ahead! Three-sixty!" Robert D. Holzworth, a political since professor at Virginia Commonwealth University, said, "Conservatives have not been ready to put their imprimatur on McCain. Inevitability has not translated into affection, and that is a continuing challenge for him." He won by nine points in Virginia I think, 50-41. This guy Andy Busch of BMO Capital Markets in the audio sound bite here from the Kudlow show, he's got a point. McCain should be smoking Huckabee. Huck doesn't have a chance. He doesn't even have a prayer. Well, he "majored in miracles." I take that back. He does have a prayer. But frankly, folks, McCain should be walking away with this now and unifying the party. It isn't happening. The conservatives even knowing full well that they're voting for a guy that's not going to win the nomination. In fact, Romney and Ron Paul, the other guys got 9% of the vote last night; people that have no prayer, either. So it is a continuing problem for Senator McCain and the establishment.
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RUSH: AP last night highlights of exit poll data in the Maryland and Virginia presidential primaries, and halfway down is this little paragraph that's headlined with "the Rush Limbaugh effect." Now, the AP is just one of many Drive-By news agencies writing of our wane and demise. Now: "the Rush Limbaugh effect." They're exit polling us, folks. "Republican voters in Virginia who said they frequently listened to conservative talk radio voted 51 percent for Huckabee, while non-listeners voted 57 percent for McCain. ... [T]he more often people listened to conservative talk radio, the less likely they were to vote for McCain." I wonder why. The Fox exit polls -- it's all the same thing -- talk radio had an impact on the votes for Huckabee; 50% saying talk radio influenced the vote, and they went for Huckabee. Also a majority, 52%, said that McCain was not conservative enough. Now northern Virginia was not in at the time all this exit poll data came in. McCain was trailing Huckabee until northern Virginia came in and ended up winning it by nine points, but he should have smoked Huckabee last night in Virginia. But, you know, he's having trouble winning conservatives in southern states, and the southern half of Virginia is very conservative and somewhat evangelical. The votes went to Huckabee.
Also, CNN exits: "Twenty-five percent of GOP voters are mildly or seriously dissatisfied with McCain." He lost those voters big time. "Nineteen percent of Republican voters think immigration is a big issue. Forty-four percent of those who voted favor the deportation model, and McCain lost those voters by over 20 points. Sixty percent of voters listen to conservative talk radio." McCain got whacked there. Now, "19% of Republican voters think immigration is a big issue," and some people might say "only" 19, in front of that. That's one out of five people. That is a serious issue when you have a national election. It's probably a little bit higher than this in other parts of the country. This is just Virginia and Maryland. Now, since they're exit polling me and talk radio, I'm wondering: Are they also exit polling what percentage of voters are influenced by Bill Kristol and David Brooks and some of the other McCainiacs in the establishment side of the Republican Party? It's just a question. Let's go to the audio sound bites. DNCTV here is explaining the exit poll. Now, I just gave you the exit poll data for Virginia. In Maryland it was somewhat different. Maryland is an odd state. Even the Republicans there are, in most of the state, pretty liberal, pretty moderate. DNCTV wanted to focus on the exit poll data regarding talk radio in Maryland. Here is the correspondent Norah O'Donnell.
O'DONNELL: This electorate enjoys listening to conservative talk radio. In fact, 62% say they listen at least occasionally. It's a pretty interesting number, since conservative radio talk show hosts like Rush Limbaugh have questioned McCain's conservative credentials.
RUSH: Later on, Ms. O'Donnell returned to pronounce that in Maryland they're listening, but they're not doing as they're told.
O'DONNELL: In their exit polls, we checked on whether these GOP voters listened to conservative talk radio, and in Maryland we found that 31% said they tune in frequently; 34% listen occasionally. That's a pretty big audience from Maryland for talk show hosts like Rush Limbaugh and Laura Ingraham, uh, who have been saying that John McCain is not conservative enough. So we asked these voters if -- if what they're listening to is what they're buying; and we found that among this very conservative electorate, less than half think he's not conservative enough. Nearly the same percentage actually think he's about right. So these numbers show that while these voters are listening, they may not be buying what they hear.
RUSH: So the template continues. The Drive-Bys' definition of success, for me, is reflected by how many of my listeners do what I tell them to do; and I'm failing if they don't follow me. (interruption) Right. I have a big audience in Massachusetts, a huge audience in San Francisco. What are they going to do? They're dismissing half the voters by saying at CNN, "Well, they're not following the marching orders." I just wanted you to hear this because it just establishes the template that the Drive-Bys cannot give up. Now, over on Fox, the newly engaged (as of New Year's Eve) Megyn Kelly was handling the exit poll data reporting for the Fox News Channel last night, and she reports the Virginia numbers here but with a tidbit that O'Donnell on DNCTV left out.
 KELLY: Most Virginia Republicans, 53%, say McCain is not conservative enough. Forty-one percent say, he's about right. Just 3% think McCain is too conservative. Talk radio, too, may be influencing this vote. This is fascinating. Sixty-two percent of GOP voters in Virginia say they listen often to conservative talk radio, programs like Rush Limbaugh. Now, those stars, as everyone knows, do not support John McCain -- and neither, as it turns out, do their fans who went 48% for Huckabee, 38% for McCain. That's in Virginia.
RUSH: Let's also remind you that I have not endorsed Huckabee, and Huckabee got a majority of the talk radio vote last night. I haven't endorsed him. I endorsed Obama a moment ago. (laughing) I'm going to scare people who didn't hear that. It was a joke. But I didn't endorse Huckabee. It's important to point that out.
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