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Posted: Mon Apr 23rd, 2007 03:05 pm |
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Anyone feel like we got another towns paper today. I know we will not have another Bob Palmer and Hank Billings, Mike O,Brian and many others but I miss the real newspapers from 651 Boonville when it was local and reporter's and photogs were at every corner. What was your favorite News-Leader Paper and what years had the best. Remember the Movie Clock and the Sunday cartoons by Bob ( in color) of local politicians or business leaders and department head blunders. It was said in those times "Tis A Privilege to live in the Ozarks" They were right.
I still hate " The New KTTS" and I wonder how long can we call it new? Its been years since Hanson and Phillips screwed up the station.
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Posted: Wed Apr 25th, 2007 02:31 am |
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I like the new layout. It seems more like a hometown newspaper....all the local news up front. Seen the new Nixa News Leader and the new Ozark News Leader yet? Very cool stuff.
KTTS never sounded better than it does today. Pre-1999, KTTS was dated, and sounded just plain hokey! I know they were successful and all...but I was never a fan of the Hee-Haw presentation that Great Empire was famous for. The ranchhands and the sponsored Lost Pet report....it flew in the 70's & 80's, but country music, and the country music listener today is much too sophisticated today to accept that sort of programming.
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Posted: Wed Apr 25th, 2007 02:42 am |
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I think you'd be surprised how popular "hokey" can be.
"Hokey" appeals to upper demos. And, NOBODY is serving upper demos in the Ozarks.
If there were suddenly a good 'hokey' station on the dial, 45+'s would flock to it.
IMHO
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Posted: Wed Apr 25th, 2007 04:21 am |
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Hokey...You mean like Silver Dollar City and Branson? Folks flock from all over the country for our down home hospitality,friendy people and good vittles. I think the "classic KTTS" was friendlier and part of the Ozark's heritage. As everyone knows whatever station they are with if we have a dark cloud or at the top of the hour most everyone goes down the dial to KTTS. But now we have to go to the Internet for weather and 1400 am or JOCK for sports. What we have done is made folks buy the music they want and not even tune in. Except to go to various stations and Internet for news.
Regarding the News-Leader the best thing they have is the Internet breaking news No one can touch them in that. The "New News-Leader I have yet to hear 1 person that likes the change. The Ozark and Nixa News-Leader may be cool, However the " local hocey" I believe will see it as a Big Corporate running off the good guys ( small hometown papers) as long as the News-Leader makes classifieds out of the obits and the local hokey paper runs it for free I doubt much success will occur. I just ran a long obit for free with a picture in the Crane Chronicle and spent 160 buck in the News-Leader for less words and no picture. Did you ever think how Gannet hurt youth when they wiped out they paperboy on a bike and the routes that had over 2000 evening papers making rounds and good pay. The history of the Watson's was a Leading paper and good partner for the community.Who can forget those News-Leader Softball teams (fastpitch) it all went away with the Watson's.
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Posted: Wed Apr 25th, 2007 02:23 pm |
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DB wrote:
I believe will see it as a Big Corporate running off the good guys ( small hometown papers)
What, like the CPI newspapers? They are owned by Jim Walton! There's nothin' like big & corporate than Wal*Mart...! . Did you ever think how Gannet hurt youth when they wiped out they paperboy on a bike and the routes that had over 2000 evening papers making rounds and good pay. .
Kinda like radio stations firing announcers and replacing them with automation and satellite jocks. Newspapers, just like radio & tv...aren't a non-for-profit business. They do what they can to streamline operations and keep their operating costs low. As much as a nice piece of Americana as they are, the idea of a freckle-faced boy throwing papers off his bike after school as gone the way of the 8-track tape and the mood ring.
I was a paperboy in the mid-70's. My local paper, the Southeast Missourian..locally owned...did away with paperboys in the early 80's. They cited a lack of interest in youth having a paper route, and their desire for more reliablilty in getting the papers delivered.
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Posted: Wed Apr 25th, 2007 02:24 pm |
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artmorris wrote: I think you'd be surprised how popular "hokey" can be.
"Hokey" appeals to upper demos. And, NOBODY is serving upper demos in the Ozarks.
If there were suddenly a good 'hokey' station on the dial, 45+'s would flock to it.
IMHO
Art
Sure there is. Bass Country. KTXR. That's two who serve an upper demo. KTXR's a little hokey, and they own the upper demos!
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artmorris
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Posted: Wed Apr 25th, 2007 02:47 pm |
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Point taken.
It's not hokey that bothers me. It's lack of professionalism.
Not so long ago, there were people in the smallest stations who made their living as 'professional radio announcers'. Even the smallest stations had an entire staff of full time air talent, sales people, office people...AND the stations were profitable.
There are very few situations like that now, until you get into medium & larger markets. Those of us how love radio have to suppliment our habit (radio) with another source of income. And, to fill their needs, stations put a lot of people on the air who really shouldn't be. Some of them can't even read well. At the very least, they haven't been trained.
So, if a station sounds hokey because they choose to be, and it's a marketing decision, I'm down with that. But, if a station sounds hokey (read: unprofessional) because the people on the air are unqualified, that's a shame.
Can anything be done?
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Posted: Wed Apr 25th, 2007 03:44 pm |
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The "key" word to all the above responses is "corporate." Large corporations now own most radio stations.
Journal's corporate suits were wetting their pants to change KTTS and they did. The culture went and so did the revenues in Springfield. They continue to runs ads for a sales manager (the 4th or 5th in seven years. What was once a coveted job is now looked at as a heart attack waiting to happen) KTTS, KTTS-AM and the Max were billing just under 5-million a year in 1999. I bet Journal hasn't hit that mark but perhaps once or twice at most and they have five stations under the roof now.
Flip side to that, radio is becoming more and more a 40-plus culture. The Internet continues to grow, new vehicles have IPOD/MP3 capabilities in them, and advertisers are "niching" their focus. The younger demos are trying out new platforms for news and information and abandoning radio and newspapers. They tune in to television from time to time, but not to Katie, Briana nd Charles.
As all this continues to play out, there will be less money for talent out there, less money for news teams, and radio will be doing less than it is today.
Stations will sell for bigger prices (watch for Clear Channel to dump the Springfield market soon) and the mess continues.
There never will be a classic KTTS and an old SN-L.
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Posted: Wed Apr 25th, 2007 07:29 pm |
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morrisjames wrote:
There never will be a classic KTTS and an old SN-L.
Nope...there won't be. And that's OK!
KTTS, in the "old" days...had its place in Springfield - it served its need, and served it very well. But the market has changed dramatically over the past 10-20 years. Radio needs to change with the market. What served Springfield well in 1984 probably isn't what would serve the city today.
Same thing for all media...as all radio & TV stations need to evolve and change along with the market, so must the News-Leader.
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Posted: Thu Apr 26th, 2007 08:28 pm |
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Doug Country music listener and sophistacated must be an oxymoron
I can remember the denial of Coke when they had the new Coke then went to "classic Coke" as quick as a corporate CEO can bilk the public. I believe we WILL see some "classic stations" make a comeback and those will have to have what stations of the 50,s thru 80,s had News Weather Sports. LIVE JOCKS will be a must. English speaking Live Jocks have you seen the #'s on Wayne Glen ? Old time radio with a guy standing at the mike telling time temps radar and other info LIVE. This will be the way of the future. These big corporations made lots of money then started buying up all the little ones. The Market did not change when Journal came in they changed this market is the same but no one is committed to a station any more because none of them are a full service station. If I had the money to put some haybales and horses and a station I would have them ranchands making money like they used to we would have Pony Express news ( and Morris I know you hated that name) But this is the Ozarks and Big Corporate and consultants have no idea. This crap we have now might fly in New York but in the Ozarks we still care for local businesses and our neighbors.
And about the New News-Leader based on the calls they are getting I do NOT think anybody is embracing this change. You might want to look at how the Watson's ran the paper if you want a good package. I see we have 4 million more people in the Ozarks since 1980 and circulations is almost half of what it was then. Perhaps its time to fire your consultants. But I will shut up if you have the MOHUNKUS to get a news leader poll ( VOTE ) on all the above topics. Lets see what the real world thinks
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Posted: Thu Apr 26th, 2007 10:00 pm |
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DB wrote: Doug Country music listener and sophistacated must be an oxymoron ***It's certainly not an oxymoron. Country radio listeners run the entire gamut in demographics - from the hillbilly moms to CEO's of major companies. I think people in general have become more sophisticated in the past 20 years. There are SO many more media options today than there were years ago, and people expect more from their favorite media.
I can remember the denial of Coke when they had the new Coke then went to "classic Coke" as quick as a corporate CEO can bilk the public. I believe we WILL see some "classic stations" make a comeback and those will have to have what stations of the 50,s thru 80,s had News Weather Sports. LIVE JOCKS will be a must. English speaking Live Jocks have you seen the #'s on Wayne Glen ? Old time radio with a guy standing at the mike telling time temps radar and other info LIVE. This will be the way of the future. These big corporations made lots of money then started buying up all the little ones. The Market did not change when Journal came in they changed this market is the same but no one is committed to a station any more because none of them are a full service station. If I had the money to put some haybales and horses and a station I would have them ranchands making money like they used to we would have Pony Express news ( and Morris I know you hated that name) But this is the Ozarks and Big Corporate and consultants have no idea. This crap we have now might fly in New York but in the Ozarks we still care for local businesses and our neighbors.
Huh? I can't imagine ANY media not caring about local businesses & neighbors.
And about the New News-Leader based on the calls they are getting I do NOT think anybody is embracing this change. You might want to look at how the Watson's ran the paper if you want a good package. I see we have 4 million more people in the Ozarks since 1980 and circulations is almost half of what it was then. Perhaps its time to fire your consultants. But I will shut up if you have the MOHUNKUS to get a news leader poll ( VOTE ) on all the above topics. Lets see what the real world thinks
4 MILLION more people? I don't know where you got that figure, but that's not even close! Sure, the News-Leader doesn't sell as many newspapers as they did 20 years ago...the figure is 10% less, not 50% less...and 20 years ago, we didn't have 100,000+ unique people PER WEEK coming to our website, either! With news-leader.com, and pass-along readership being up...there are actually MORE people in the Ozarks getting their news & information from the News-Leader!
As far as a poll goes - the news-leader does ongoing research in the community every day. We do focus groups, get input from a wide demograph of people, etc all the time.
Ya know, DB...business isn't done on a handshake and a slap on the back anymore. TV, newspaper and radio are multi-million dollar businesses that can't be run by a good 'ol boy network anymore. Perhaps you long for the olden days when that sort of thing can happen. These Times They Are A-Changin....
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Posted: Thu Apr 26th, 2007 10:27 pm |
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FWIW, I don't like the new News-Leader based on the initial impression. I'll see how I feel in a few months. I don't like not having the major news stories that impact the Ozarks from outside the Ozarks buried. Then again, that's why I have CNN.com or FoxNews.com.
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Posted: Fri Apr 27th, 2007 03:14 am |
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I still do business on a handshake and A slap on the back. And if I cannot trust my ozark freinds I have lived to long. Hey got you thinking on the 3 million I see take a look at all of S.W MO. you will be just as surprised. About 1 million from south of the border are in what we call the Ozarks."The other day I was reading Newsweek magazine and came across some poll data I found rather hard to believe. It must be true given the source, right?
The Newsweek poll alleges that 67 percent of Americans are unhappy with the direction the country is headed and 69 percent of the country is unhappy with the performance of the president. In essence 2/3s of the citizenry just ain't happy and want a change.
So being the knuckle dragger I am, I started thinking, ''What we are so unhappy about?''
Is it that we have electricity and running water 24 hours a day, 7 days a week? Is our unhappiness the result of having air conditioning in the summer and heating in the winter?
Could it be that 95.4 percent of these unhappy folks have a job? Maybe it is the ability to walk into a grocery store at any time and see more food in moments than Darfur has seen in the last year?
Maybe it is the ability to drive from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic Ocean without having to present identification papers as we move through each state? Or possibly the hundreds of clean and safe motels we would find along the way that can provide temporary shelter?
I guess having thousands of restaurants with varying cuisine from around the world is just not good enough. Or could it be that when we wreck our car, emergency workers show up and provide services to help all and even send a helicopter to take you to the hospital.
Perhaps you are one of the 70 percent of Americans who own a home. You may be upset with knowing that in the unfortunate case of a fire, a group of trained firefighters will appear in moments and use top notch equipment to extinguish the flames thus saving you, your family and your belongings.
Or if, while at home watching one of your many flat screen TVs, a burglar or prowler intrudes , an officer equipped with a gun and a bullet-proof vest will come to defend you and your family against attack or loss. This all in the backdrop of a neighborhood free of bombs or militias raping and pillaging the residents. Neighborhoods where 90 percent of teenagers own cell phones and computers.
How about the complete religious, social and political freedoms we enjoy that are the envy of everyone in the world? Maybe that is what has 67 percent of you folks unhappy.
Fact is, we are the largest group of ungrateful, spoiled brats the world has ever seen. No wonder the world loves the U.S. , yet has a great disdain for its citizens. They see us for what we are. The most blessed people in the world who do nothing but complain about what we don't have , and what we hate about the country instead of thanking the good Lord we live here.
I know, I know. What about the president who took us into war and has no plan to get us out? The president who has a measly 31 percent approval rating? Is this the same president who guided the nation in the dark days after 9/11? The president that cut taxes to bring an economy out of recession? Could this be the same guy who has been called every name in the book for succeeding in keeping all the spoiled ungrateful brats safe from terrorist attacks?
The commander in chief of an all-volunteer army that is out there defending you and me? Did you hear how bad the President is on the news or talk show? Did this news affect you so much, make you so unhappy you couldn't take a look around for yourself and see all the good things and be glad?
Think about it......are you upset at the President because he actually caused you personal pain OR is it because the "Media" told you he was failing to kiss your sorry ungrateful behind every day.
Make no mistake about it. The troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have volunteered to serve, and in many cases may have died for your freedom. There is currently no draft in this country. They didn't have to go.
They are able to refuse to go and end up with either a ''general'' discharge, an ''other than honorable'' discharge or, worst case scenario, a ''dishonorable'' discharge after a few days in the brig.
So why then the flat-out discontentment in the minds of 69 percent of Americans? Say what you want but I blame it on the media. If it bleeds it leads and they specialize in bad news. Everybody will watch a car crash with blood and guts. How many will watch kids selling lemonade at the corner? The media knows this and media outlets are for-profit corporations. They offer what sells , and when criticized, try to defend their actions by "justifying" them in one way or another. Just ask why they tried to allow a murderer like O.J. Simpson to write a book about how he didn't kill his wife, but if he did he would have done it this way......Insane!
Stop buying the negativism you are fed everyday by the media. Shut off the TV, burn Newsweek, and use the New York Times for the bottom of your bird cage. Then start being grateful for all we have as a country. There is exponentially more good than bad.
We are among the most blessed people on Earth and should thank God several times a day, or at least be thankful and appreciative."
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You know, DB, you should cite your source for the cut-and-paste job, so people won't think you're a word thief. Here, let me do it for you:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/hitnail.asp
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